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		<title>By: Gym To Know</title>
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		<author>Gym To Know</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>[&#8230;]Sports Leader  &raquo; Tony McKeever  &raquo; SA Rugby&#8217;s precedent &#8212; pride or prejudice?[&#8230;]&#8230;
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		<title>By: His Hon Rev The Lipid</title>
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		<author>His Hon Rev The Lipid</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EC Revolution; Do you have figures for revenue generated vs state funds spent in the EC? Over the last, say 30 years? If so, lets compare those stats to each and every province in the country; we might have to play a little due to the change in provinces post '94, but I think a little wiggle room can be granted. In fact lets extend it. Does the AG publish reports on municipal and provincial financials?

If RUGBY is only ONE of the elements, lets discuss the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EC Revolution; Do you have figures for revenue generated vs state funds spent in the EC? Over the last, say 30 years? If so, lets compare those stats to each and every province in the country; we might have to play a little due to the change in provinces post &#8216;94, but I think a little wiggle room can be granted. In fact lets extend it. Does the AG publish reports on municipal and provincial financials?</p>
<p>If RUGBY is only ONE of the elements, lets discuss the others.
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		<title>By: His Hon Rev The Lipid</title>
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		<author>His Hon Rev The Lipid</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I meant "and mouth off" not "of". Grammar Nazis trawl the interwebs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I meant &#8220;and mouth off&#8221; not &#8220;of&#8221;. Grammar Nazis trawl the interwebs.
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		<title>By: His Hon Rev The Lipid</title>
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		<author>His Hon Rev The Lipid</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ec Revolutionary; 

SO, in the old regime, the Broederbonders ignored the EC. In the new regime, EC is still ignored. This makes you angry. Angry enough to talk of bombings, uprisings, and mouth of about baiting halfwit Afrikaners, despite their money paying for your tertiary education.


Have I summed it up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ec Revolutionary; </p>
<p>SO, in the old regime, the Broederbonders ignored the EC. In the new regime, EC is still ignored. This makes you angry. Angry enough to talk of bombings, uprisings, and mouth of about baiting halfwit Afrikaners, despite their money paying for your tertiary education.</p>
<p>Have I summed it up?
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		<title>By: His Hon Rev The Lipid</title>
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		<author>His Hon Rev The Lipid</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John-Robert you're a bigger man than I. 

Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John-Robert you&#8217;re a bigger man than I. </p>
<p>Well said.
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		<title>By: John-Robert</title>
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		<author>John-Robert</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eastern Cape Revolution: Are you kidding!? After reading your comments above, I think the least of the countries worries in the Eastern Cape relate to rugby... Perhaps education would be the appropriate starting point for the province. 

I don't see how you can sit there and pretend as though the country has done nothing for you. It's people with a similar mentality to yours that have put the majority of Africa into the disgusting state of disrepair it's in. I see a lot of similarity between this and the Spears franchise issue discussed above - a dimwitted expectation of "handouts" being "deserved". The funny thing is the EC has been given so many handouts of late it's a joke. If you can't see all the money that's been pumped into the Nelson Mandela Metropolitan area then you are blind. Just take a look at the Coega Industrial Development Zone. East London probably needed that a lot more to be sustainable (without Daimler), but you got it. Many jobs created and millions pumped into the local economy. 

Feeling the need to pretend that bombing churches and threatening women and children as a result of only god knows what bee you have in your bonnet is pathetic, cowardly and disgusting!

I think you should accept that Eastern Cape is on the up. FACT! and a positive approach by it's people can only accelerate this. With the player pool currently available to the local union - they are unable to produce a competitive side (at present). They don't have money to lure other top players away from the big unions yet and will need an extended period in a fair alternative to advance towards this goal. Until the EC Rugby union makes their own alternative and returns profits to build up a healthy balance sheet, NO ONE is going to spoon feed them into an embarrassing result for the rest of this proud rugby playing &#38; supporting country. Cases in point - look at NMMU in the Varsity Cup and the "Mighty Elephants", with a claim to fame of narrowly beating Border in the Vodacom Cup. 

Case closed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eastern Cape Revolution: Are you kidding!? After reading your comments above, I think the least of the countries worries in the Eastern Cape relate to rugby&#8230; Perhaps education would be the appropriate starting point for the province. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how you can sit there and pretend as though the country has done nothing for you. It&#8217;s people with a similar mentality to yours that have put the majority of Africa into the disgusting state of disrepair it&#8217;s in. I see a lot of similarity between this and the Spears franchise issue discussed above - a dimwitted expectation of &#8220;handouts&#8221; being &#8220;deserved&#8221;. The funny thing is the EC has been given so many handouts of late it&#8217;s a joke. If you can&#8217;t see all the money that&#8217;s been pumped into the Nelson Mandela Metropolitan area then you are blind. Just take a look at the Coega Industrial Development Zone. East London probably needed that a lot more to be sustainable (without Daimler), but you got it. Many jobs created and millions pumped into the local economy. </p>
<p>Feeling the need to pretend that bombing churches and threatening women and children as a result of only god knows what bee you have in your bonnet is pathetic, cowardly and disgusting!</p>
<p>I think you should accept that Eastern Cape is on the up. FACT! and a positive approach by it&#8217;s people can only accelerate this. With the player pool currently available to the local union - they are unable to produce a competitive side (at present). They don&#8217;t have money to lure other top players away from the big unions yet and will need an extended period in a fair alternative to advance towards this goal. Until the EC Rugby union makes their own alternative and returns profits to build up a healthy balance sheet, NO ONE is going to spoon feed them into an embarrassing result for the rest of this proud rugby playing &amp; supporting country. Cases in point - look at NMMU in the Varsity Cup and the &#8220;Mighty Elephants&#8221;, with a claim to fame of narrowly beating Border in the Vodacom Cup. </p>
<p>Case closed
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		<title>By: Tony McKeever</title>
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		<author>Tony McKeever</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADAM: You are incredibly defensive. At no time have I labelled you anything, save to say, "Your comment is laced with racial invective".

How you go from there, to accusing me of calling you a "racist", is an enormous leap and a huge assumption that you make yourself.

That now is no laughing matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADAM: You are incredibly defensive. At no time have I labelled you anything, save to say, &#8220;Your comment is laced with racial invective&#8221;.</p>
<p>How you go from there, to accusing me of calling you a &#8220;racist&#8221;, is an enormous leap and a huge assumption that you make yourself.</p>
<p>That now is no laughing matter.
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		<title>By: Tony McKeever</title>
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		<author>Tony McKeever</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Champ: Take Eastern Cape Revolutions call to arms with a bag of salt, but do empathize with his frustration, which reflects that of the Eastern Cape rugby supporters and players from being excluded from Super Rugby. 

This "crawl before you walk" statement is so cliched and irrelevant for the following reasons: 

1. No Franchise plays in the Currie Cup 

2. Let the budding 6th franchise play 3 relegation and promotion matches with the last placed SA side in the Super 14 or Super 15 - and let the best team win. 

Finally a thought to ponder, that the Stormers Director of Rugby is Rassie Erasmus of the Eastern Cape and Alistair Coetzee also of the Eastern Cape and this exodus of coaching and player skills is only on account of the fact that the Eastern Cape has been excluded from Super Rugby in South Africa.

This is a major problem and the administration is in denial if they think they can take another 3 years to fix this, they will be beset with problems. 

To quote Hoskins himself on the 29th March 2006: 

"This is tearing rugby apart in South Africa". 

Yet here we are exactly 4 years down the line with no solution or will by the administration to remedy so blatant an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Champ: Take Eastern Cape Revolutions call to arms with a bag of salt, but do empathize with his frustration, which reflects that of the Eastern Cape rugby supporters and players from being excluded from Super Rugby. </p>
<p>This &#8220;crawl before you walk&#8221; statement is so cliched and irrelevant for the following reasons: </p>
<p>1. No Franchise plays in the Currie Cup </p>
<p>2. Let the budding 6th franchise play 3 relegation and promotion matches with the last placed SA side in the Super 14 or Super 15 - and let the best team win. </p>
<p>Finally a thought to ponder, that the Stormers Director of Rugby is Rassie Erasmus of the Eastern Cape and Alistair Coetzee also of the Eastern Cape and this exodus of coaching and player skills is only on account of the fact that the Eastern Cape has been excluded from Super Rugby in South Africa.</p>
<p>This is a major problem and the administration is in denial if they think they can take another 3 years to fix this, they will be beset with problems. </p>
<p>To quote Hoskins himself on the 29th March 2006: </p>
<p>&#8220;This is tearing rugby apart in South Africa&#8221;. </p>
<p>Yet here we are exactly 4 years down the line with no solution or will by the administration to remedy so blatant an issue.
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		<title>By: His Hon Rev The Lipid</title>
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		<author>His Hon Rev The Lipid</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ec revolution: Big mouth. 

Tony: Facebook is a lekker place, hey?</description>
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<p>Tony: Facebook is a lekker place, hey?
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		<title>By: Champ</title>
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		<author>Champ</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 06:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Eastern Cape Revolution, you claim the other people are childish for hurling insults but you claim that if the Eastern Cape do not get a Super 15 spot that things are going to burn down, that is the most retarded logic I have ever learned in my entire life. But lets be honest here, when Eastern Cape Rugby is run by Professional people with an IQ above 50 and not political muppets then maybe they can be awarded a new spot. 

Why does the Union crawl before it can walk by first playing in the Currie Cup before playing with the big boys? But its this short sighted logic is the reason the Union is in a huge mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Eastern Cape Revolution, you claim the other people are childish for hurling insults but you claim that if the Eastern Cape do not get a Super 15 spot that things are going to burn down, that is the most retarded logic I have ever learned in my entire life. But lets be honest here, when Eastern Cape Rugby is run by Professional people with an IQ above 50 and not political muppets then maybe they can be awarded a new spot. </p>
<p>Why does the Union crawl before it can walk by first playing in the Currie Cup before playing with the big boys? But its this short sighted logic is the reason the Union is in a huge mess.
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