Comments on: The Springbok: To be, or not to be? The solution is simple http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/ Mon, 21 May 2012 14:25:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: easy ways to make fast cash http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-20889 easy ways to make fast cash Tue, 05 Apr 2011 07:33:31 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-20889 This is a lot advice. I need to say I like scanning this lots. It will help me to start to be better understanding on the subject. It is very well published. I will definitely search for this kind of content incredibly intriguing. Hopefully you can grant more someday. This is a lot advice. I need to say I like scanning this lots. It will help me to start to be better understanding on the subject. It is very well published. I will definitely search for this kind of content incredibly intriguing. Hopefully you can grant more someday.

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]]> By: Tony McKeever http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5017 Tony McKeever Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:31:45 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5017 thevoice - what you have lamented is the need for a tournament that could be annual or bi-annual rugby spectacle between the Top Five Countries. Rugby requires a rethink if they are to compete for the spectator and broadcast dollars. thevoice - what you have lamented is the need for a tournament that could be annual or bi-annual rugby spectacle between the Top Five Countries.

Rugby requires a rethink if they are to compete for the spectator and broadcast dollars.

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]]> By: Tony McKeever http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5016 Tony McKeever Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:27:19 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5016 Greg Smith - You have struck a cord and you are closer to the truth than you realise. A new breakaway group with constitution has already begun with significant financial underwriting from corporate South Africa. The games have begun. Greg Smith - You have struck a cord and you are closer to the truth than you realise. A new breakaway group with constitution has already begun with significant financial underwriting from corporate South Africa.

The games have begun.

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]]> By: thevoice http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5015 thevoice Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:37:13 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5015 Lets face it, if you're my age, you're NOT going to witness another RWC in South Africa in your life ... 15/20 years on ... I'll be pushing daisies and South Africa (since 1995)will NOT have seen a local RWC in 30/40 years ! Once in a lifetime if you're African - TWICE or THRICE if you're English/Aussie/Kiwi... Lets face it, if you’re my age, you’re NOT going to witness another RWC in South Africa in your life … 15/20 years on … I’ll be pushing daisies and South Africa (since 1995)will NOT have seen a local RWC in 30/40 years ! Once in a lifetime if you’re African - TWICE or THRICE if you’re English/Aussie/Kiwi…

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]]> By: Greg Smith http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5014 Greg Smith Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:23:01 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5014 International Rugby Union obviously operates at a pace SARU are unable to handle or contribute meaningfully to. Why don't they do EVERYONE a favour and break away from the IRB ... return to isolation, start a new rugby code ... African Rules if you will... and plod along ... honestly ... it'll probably be for their OWN good ! International Rugby Union obviously operates at a pace SARU are unable to handle or contribute meaningfully to. Why don’t they do EVERYONE a favour and break away from the IRB … return to isolation, start a new rugby code … African Rules if you will… and plod along … honestly … it’ll probably be for their OWN good !

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]]> By: thevoice http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5013 thevoice Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:55:52 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5013 IRB votes per region = Europe 16 - Oceania 9 ...Africa 3----> do the maths IRB votes per region = Europe 16 - Oceania 9 …Africa 3—-> do the maths

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]]> By: Tony McKeever http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5001 Tony McKeever Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:36:39 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5001 thevoice - The IRB have said they would like a combined 2015 & 2019 bid for the RWC. That means that Japan could partner with Australia and I suspect that that is what each is wanting to do and arrange it that Japan gets 2015 and Australia 2019. Similarly, SARU could do such a partnership deal also with Japan or Italy and suggest seconding personnel to these countries to assist them. Australia, Ireland, Italy, Scotland, South Africa and Wales have lodged their interest in hosting either the 2015 or 2019 tournaments. The IRB said in July that it will award the two tournaments at the same time to allow for “better planning” and “longer-term certainty” for the hosts and commercial partners. Last year’s tournament in France had a record profit of 120 million pounds (US$214 million). The 400,000 additional visitors who attended the tournament helped boost the local economy by 4 billion euros (US$5.6 billion), according to the IRB. This is the financial windfall you were alluding to in hosting the Rugby World Cup. Countries who tender for the 2015 and 2019 editions will make presentations to IRB council members in May before a final decision is taken two months later. None of the six previous World Cups have been staged in a country outside rugby union’s founding unions. This now sets the cat in amongst the pigeons and sets up the SANZAR and the Confederation of African Rugby as powerful voting blocks when it comes down to who has been nice to whom in sharing the spoils between countries. In my view, SARU has adopted an isolationist position and is far removed from their constituents and need to do something drastic to endear themselves to the African and Southern Hemisphere rugby playing nations. thevoice - The IRB have said they would like a combined 2015 & 2019 bid for the RWC. That means that Japan could partner with Australia and I suspect that that is what each is wanting to do and arrange it that Japan gets 2015 and Australia 2019.

Similarly, SARU could do such a partnership deal also with Japan or Italy and suggest seconding personnel to these countries to assist them.
Australia, Ireland, Italy, Scotland, South Africa and Wales have lodged their interest in hosting either the 2015 or 2019 tournaments.

The IRB said in July that it will award the two tournaments at the same time to allow for “better planning” and “longer-term certainty” for the hosts and commercial partners.

Last year’s tournament in France had a record profit of 120 million pounds (US$214 million). The 400,000 additional visitors who attended the tournament helped boost the local economy by 4 billion euros (US$5.6 billion), according to the IRB.

This is the financial windfall you were alluding to in hosting the Rugby World Cup.

Countries who tender for the 2015 and 2019 editions will make presentations to IRB council members in May before a final decision is taken two months later.

None of the six previous World Cups have been staged in a country outside rugby union’s founding unions.

This now sets the cat in amongst the pigeons and sets up the SANZAR and the Confederation of African Rugby as powerful voting blocks when it comes down to who has been nice to whom in sharing the spoils between countries.

In my view, SARU has adopted an isolationist position and is far removed from their constituents and need to do something drastic to endear themselves to the African and Southern Hemisphere rugby playing nations.

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]]> By: thevoice http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5000 thevoice Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:54:07 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-5000 My questions thus - 1. Does SARU have the right to DECLINE the 2015 RWC ? 2. Isn't it surprising NO-ONES been investigated for corruption - I've read about a small private Aus$4 Million 'inducement' paid to SARU officials for towing the right line and withdrawing their bids for 2015 ? Rotten to the core and if South Africa don't host the 2015 RWC I hope the public DEMANDS a thorough investigation ! My questions thus - 1. Does SARU have the right to DECLINE the 2015 RWC ? 2. Isn’t it surprising NO-ONES been investigated for corruption - I’ve read about a small private Aus$4 Million ‘inducement’ paid to SARU officials for towing the right line and withdrawing their bids for 2015 ? Rotten to the core and if South Africa don’t host the 2015 RWC I hope the public DEMANDS a thorough investigation !

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]]> By: thevoice http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-4999 thevoice Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:38:49 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-4999 2015 JAPAN ... watch the IRB focus on an EMERGING rugby market (on South Africa's hand) ... IOL News confirmed SARU are sheepish about 2015 and voted to withdraw their 2015 bid ~ ENGLAND, AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND have(or will have) hosted the RWC TWICE already, while South Africa remains the ONLY major rugby union nation to LAG behind (typically 20 or 20 years behind the rest of the world) ...... and the 2015 RWC bidders cut off(contenders) went in, in AUGUST 2008 - ONLY South Africa, England, Australia and Japan applied for 2015 ~ as I said... England & Oz have ALREADY hosted it TWICE - that leaves South Africa and JAPAN... South Africa's withdrawal leaves JAPAN in the clear... done and dusted ! 2015 JAPAN … watch the IRB focus on an EMERGING rugby market (on South Africa’s hand) … IOL News confirmed SARU are sheepish about 2015 and voted to withdraw their 2015 bid ~ ENGLAND, AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND have(or will have) hosted the RWC TWICE already, while South Africa remains the ONLY major rugby union nation to LAG behind (typically 20 or 20 years behind the rest of the world) …… and the 2015 RWC bidders cut off(contenders) went in, in AUGUST 2008 - ONLY South Africa, England, Australia and Japan applied for 2015 ~ as I said… England & Oz have ALREADY hosted it TWICE - that leaves South Africa and JAPAN… South Africa’s withdrawal leaves JAPAN in the clear… done and dusted !

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]]> By: Tony McKeever http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-4991 Tony McKeever Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:04:55 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/tonymckeever/2008/10/18/the-springbok-to-be-or-not-to-be-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-4991 thevoice - I am not sure where you get this info from but the IRB want bids for the 2015 & 2019 Rugby World Cup by June 2009. You are right in that the economic multiplier effect is enormous. The AFP article below highlights that and should sort out the misinformation: DUBLIN (AFP) — Nations looking to stage the Rugby World Cup in 2015 or 2019 could earn their respective economies as much as two billion pounds, according to a new report published Wednesday. Australia, South Africa, Japan and Italy together with Wales, Scotland and Ireland, have expressed an interest in hosting both tournaments. England, who lost out in the race to stage last year's event, are now concentrating on a bid for 2015. The Sports Business Group at leading accountancy firm Deloitte was commissioned by the International Rugby Board (IRB) to prepare a report into the potential economic impact of a World Cup. They found staging the event could yield up to 2.1 billion pounds for the host nation. Attendances at the 2007 World Cup in France topped two million, which provided a direct boost to the travel and leisure industries. The report also found a government in the host nation might receive as much as 100 million pounds in sales taxes alone. IRB chairman Bernard Lapasset said: "Rugby is a sport that has an ethos almost unique in the modern sporting environment that includes traditions such as large numbers of travelling supporters, sportsmanship, and social and business networking. "Add this to elite performance on the field and it makes Rugby World Cup very attractive to any potential host nation," the Frenchman added. "The report confirms that the tournament is now the third biggest in the world in terms of spectator attendance and the influx of international visitors." But the World Cup is not always a straightforward money-spinner. The 2011 edition was controversially awarded to the New Zealand Rugby Union, home to one of the sport's traditional powers, instead of Japan, a potentially better economic prospect. Organisers in New Zealand are projecting a possible loss of 10.7 million pounds, which has been labelled a potential "disaster" for the global game in a report called 'Putting Rugby First', co-authored by Quentin Smith, the chairman of English Premiership side Sale. However, 2011 Rugby World Cup chief executive Martin Snedden said much of the loss would be covered by the New Zealand government. "The NZRU went into this knowing the financial situation, but out of this they're getting some great stadiums for the future," he explained. "The NZ dollars 30million (projected loss) isn't what the IRB or the NZRU will lose, it's what Rugby New Zealand 2011 Limited will lose and two-thirds of that will be met by the government." The IRB will announce the hosts of the 2015 and 2019 World Cups in July next year, the first time two sets of host have been appointed at the same time. The move is designed to strengthen the chances of a World Cup being awarded to an emerging rugby nation for the first time. thevoice - I am not sure where you get this info from but the IRB want bids for the 2015 & 2019 Rugby World Cup by June 2009.

You are right in that the economic multiplier effect is enormous. The AFP article below highlights that and should sort out the misinformation:

DUBLIN (AFP) — Nations looking to stage the Rugby World Cup in 2015 or 2019 could earn their respective economies as much as two billion pounds, according to a new report published Wednesday.

Australia, South Africa, Japan and Italy together with Wales, Scotland and Ireland, have expressed an interest in hosting both tournaments.

England, who lost out in the race to stage last year’s event, are now concentrating on a bid for 2015.

The Sports Business Group at leading accountancy firm Deloitte was commissioned by the International Rugby Board (IRB) to prepare a report into the potential economic impact of a World Cup.

They found staging the event could yield up to 2.1 billion pounds for the host nation.
Attendances at the 2007 World Cup in France topped two million, which provided a direct boost to the travel and leisure industries.

The report also found a government in the host nation might receive as much as 100 million pounds in sales taxes alone.

IRB chairman Bernard Lapasset said: “Rugby is a sport that has an ethos almost unique in the modern sporting environment that includes traditions such as large numbers of travelling supporters, sportsmanship, and social and business networking.
“Add this to elite performance on the field and it makes Rugby World Cup very attractive to any potential host nation,” the Frenchman added.
“The report confirms that the tournament is now the third biggest in the world in terms of spectator attendance and the influx of international visitors.”

But the World Cup is not always a straightforward money-spinner.
The 2011 edition was controversially awarded to the New Zealand Rugby Union, home to one of the sport’s traditional powers, instead of Japan, a potentially better economic prospect.

Organisers in New Zealand are projecting a possible loss of 10.7 million pounds, which has been labelled a potential “disaster” for the global game in a report called ‘Putting Rugby First’, co-authored by Quentin Smith, the chairman of English Premiership side Sale.

However, 2011 Rugby World Cup chief executive Martin Snedden said much of the loss would be covered by the New Zealand government.
“The NZRU went into this knowing the financial situation, but out of this they’re getting some great stadiums for the future,” he explained.
“The NZ dollars 30million (projected loss) isn’t what the IRB or the NZRU will lose, it’s what Rugby New Zealand 2011 Limited will lose and two-thirds of that will be met by the government.”

The IRB will announce the hosts of the 2015 and 2019 World Cups in July next year, the first time two sets of host have been appointed at the same time. The move is designed to strengthen the chances of a World Cup being awarded to an emerging rugby nation for the first time.

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