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		<title>By: Yusuf Omar</title>
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		<author>Yusuf Omar</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Shaun penned my thoughts. Sucks to you for stealing my thunder haha I wanted to write an article like this. But well done. The objections to it rest on seemingly rhetorical questions, a lot of "some say" (which is another way of saying 'I'm saying', Div-bashing and such like, all of which hide the fact that the arguments just aren't valid. Yes gerry, minginwobbly and owen, I'm talking to you. Come on guys. When you've been proven wrong, admit it. And credit where it's due. It's just foolish to ridicule a 50-point bashing of Australia by saying it should have happened sooner.

Final word. If as you say, De Villiers' Springboks only ignited because they 'reverted to Jake White rugby', why in the world did  White's Springboks never whip Australia or New Zealand a la Saturday?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Shaun penned my thoughts. Sucks to you for stealing my thunder haha I wanted to write an article like this. But well done. The objections to it rest on seemingly rhetorical questions, a lot of &#8220;some say&#8221; (which is another way of saying &#8216;I&#8217;m saying&#8217;, Div-bashing and such like, all of which hide the fact that the arguments just aren&#8217;t valid. Yes gerry, minginwobbly and owen, I&#8217;m talking to you. Come on guys. When you&#8217;ve been proven wrong, admit it. And credit where it&#8217;s due. It&#8217;s just foolish to ridicule a 50-point bashing of Australia by saying it should have happened sooner.</p>
<p>Final word. If as you say, De Villiers&#8217; Springboks only ignited because they &#8216;reverted to Jake White rugby&#8217;, why in the world did  White&#8217;s Springboks never whip Australia or New Zealand a la Saturday?
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		<title>By: owen</title>
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		<author>owen</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 13:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shaun

'but the fact is we were never the best side in the world and it’s time that this argument was put to rest.'

Come now - we win the world cup twice and we cannot claim to be on average the best side in the world. Why bother contesting the cup if that is the way you think. The Aussies and ABs were beaten out of the world cup. Try giving us some credit for getting there and staying there to the end.

btw I think it is still too early to judge pdv, it takes time for any new management team to come together and some of those games could have gone either way.

I think after the house of pain we became over confident, then losing in CT forced us to play for a bonus pt in Durban which we stuffed up gloriously and it took us a boo or two in Durban to get the basics back in Jhb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shaun</p>
<p>&#8216;but the fact is we were never the best side in the world and it’s time that this argument was put to rest.&#8217;</p>
<p>Come now - we win the world cup twice and we cannot claim to be on average the best side in the world. Why bother contesting the cup if that is the way you think. The Aussies and ABs were beaten out of the world cup. Try giving us some credit for getting there and staying there to the end.</p>
<p>btw I think it is still too early to judge pdv, it takes time for any new management team to come together and some of those games could have gone either way.</p>
<p>I think after the house of pain we became over confident, then losing in CT forced us to play for a bonus pt in Durban which we stuffed up gloriously and it took us a boo or two in Durban to get the basics back in Jhb.
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		<title>By: Clayton</title>
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		<author>Clayton</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumpours are Schalk Burger just about got along with Jake,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumpours are Schalk Burger just about got along with Jake,
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		<title>By: minginWobbly</title>
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		<author>minginWobbly</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry... Phil Kearns said the same on air but he won't name them.

Rumours are it was Schalk Burger and Jean De Villiers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry&#8230; Phil Kearns said the same on air but he won&#8217;t name them.</p>
<p>Rumours are it was Schalk Burger and Jean De Villiers.
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		<title>By: minginWobbly</title>
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		<author>minginWobbly</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siyabonga... I find it amusing that you use the word 'prejudice' for any Bok fan (or rugby fan) that slates PDV... inherent problem in your country it seems... anyone that disagrees with anything is a racist...

Well I'm a Tongan born Aussie married to a Saffa... and you're coaches results have been woeful to say the least...

One huge game and everything is fine... some would say SARU is 'relieved' more than anything else...

Look at the scored mate... Bok's are the wooden spooner's and have lost 1-2 against us and 1-2 against the AB's...

This with arguably the most talented and settled squad available...

One word... WOEFUL...

I must be 'prejudiced'?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siyabonga&#8230; I find it amusing that you use the word &#8216;prejudice&#8217; for any Bok fan (or rugby fan) that slates PDV&#8230; inherent problem in your country it seems&#8230; anyone that disagrees with anything is a racist&#8230;</p>
<p>Well I&#8217;m a Tongan born Aussie married to a Saffa&#8230; and you&#8217;re coaches results have been woeful to say the least&#8230;</p>
<p>One huge game and everything is fine&#8230; some would say SARU is &#8216;relieved&#8217; more than anything else&#8230;</p>
<p>Look at the scored mate&#8230; Bok&#8217;s are the wooden spooner&#8217;s and have lost 1-2 against us and 1-2 against the AB&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
<p>This with arguably the most talented and settled squad available&#8230;</p>
<p>One word&#8230; WOEFUL&#8230;</p>
<p>I must be &#8216;prejudiced&#8217;?
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		<title>By: Clayton</title>
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		<author>Clayton</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the team just went out and decided to play Jakes game, without really practicing it they went on the field and put it all together.

Are you for real?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the team just went out and decided to play Jakes game, without really practicing it they went on the field and put it all together.</p>
<p>Are you for real?
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		<title>By: gerry</title>
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		<author>gerry</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I want to know what happened in the last match vs. the two preceding ones?  How can you be totally dismal  - beyond pathetic, score your first goose-egg at home – and then, two weeks later, trounce the mighty Wallabies with a record score?  

Now I’ve got it from a good source (who will remain unnamed to protect my sources, as good “journalists” do), that the senior players in the team before Saturday’s match said “Screw PdV’s style, we are going to play the way Jake taught us”, and basically went against the way PdV wanted them to play.  We went from this “expressive” style of rugby as tutored under PdV to a structured, disciplined game as tutored under JW – and others.  

Saturday we had a team on the field.  The previous weeks we had 15 individuals (sounds like Bafana, hey?) playing their own way.  When we came together as a team and functioned as a unit, we showed the world: be afraid, be very afraid.  We are worthy of the title “world Champions”.  It’s a effing shame we won’t have a chance to play the ABs again soon, I’d love to see what this performance would have done to the ABs.  

Nokwe was brilliant, but let’s face it folks – the game-plan called for those moves, and we managed to pull that move on at least six of our eight tries.  Not wanting to take anything away from Nokwe, but Os could have scored those tries – heck, I could have scored those tries – because it was a disciplined, structured team-driven game play that had the ball at the right place at the right time and the winger had a job to do – dot it down.  I don’t think there were many instances of individual brilliance – no, this was a team who gelled as a unit, and there were no glory-boys or room for “individualism”.  (Though some guys DID try and go it alone and a try or two went begging coz they wanted to be heroes and go it alone and not pass to the un-covered man on the outside…). You have a job to do – a job you are paid VERY well to do - go out and do it.  

And wow, it was inspiring.  Was it Coach Div’s doing?  If not, then he needs a klap for not being able to inspire and coach his team.  If it is his doing, he needs a klap for not doing it sooner!

All in all, a dismal Tri-Nations – as was expected – with unexpected dizzying highlights of beating the ABs at The House of Pain, and then wiping the floor with the Sheepsh…  er, Wallabies.  I think the psychologists would call this a Bipolar team?  

I’m waffling.  I’m outta here.  Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I want to know what happened in the last match vs. the two preceding ones?  How can you be totally dismal  - beyond pathetic, score your first goose-egg at home – and then, two weeks later, trounce the mighty Wallabies with a record score?  </p>
<p>Now I’ve got it from a good source (who will remain unnamed to protect my sources, as good “journalists” do), that the senior players in the team before Saturday’s match said “Screw PdV’s style, we are going to play the way Jake taught us”, and basically went against the way PdV wanted them to play.  We went from this “expressive” style of rugby as tutored under PdV to a structured, disciplined game as tutored under JW – and others.  </p>
<p>Saturday we had a team on the field.  The previous weeks we had 15 individuals (sounds like Bafana, hey?) playing their own way.  When we came together as a team and functioned as a unit, we showed the world: be afraid, be very afraid.  We are worthy of the title “world Champions”.  It’s a effing shame we won’t have a chance to play the ABs again soon, I’d love to see what this performance would have done to the ABs.  </p>
<p>Nokwe was brilliant, but let’s face it folks – the game-plan called for those moves, and we managed to pull that move on at least six of our eight tries.  Not wanting to take anything away from Nokwe, but Os could have scored those tries – heck, I could have scored those tries – because it was a disciplined, structured team-driven game play that had the ball at the right place at the right time and the winger had a job to do – dot it down.  I don’t think there were many instances of individual brilliance – no, this was a team who gelled as a unit, and there were no glory-boys or room for “individualism”.  (Though some guys DID try and go it alone and a try or two went begging coz they wanted to be heroes and go it alone and not pass to the un-covered man on the outside…). You have a job to do – a job you are paid VERY well to do - go out and do it.  </p>
<p>And wow, it was inspiring.  Was it Coach Div’s doing?  If not, then he needs a klap for not being able to inspire and coach his team.  If it is his doing, he needs a klap for not doing it sooner!</p>
<p>All in all, a dismal Tri-Nations – as was expected – with unexpected dizzying highlights of beating the ABs at The House of Pain, and then wiping the floor with the Sheepsh…  er, Wallabies.  I think the psychologists would call this a Bipolar team?  </p>
<p>I’m waffling.  I’m outta here.  Cheers.
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		<title>By: ozoneblue</title>
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		<author>ozoneblue</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately most people who are now trying to absolve De Villiers of any blame for the Boks ending last in this Tri-Nations are conveniently avoiding very basic facts. We were competitive in Wellington, won in Dunedin and gradually regressed to getting nilled at Cape Town and losing twice at home. The problem is very clear and when you watch those matches you will see that it is De Villiers naivety about "off-loading" instead of committing enough players to the break downs that sabotaged our chances in Cape Town and Durban. Here is what De Villers had to say about the first AB versus Aus match: 

"Last weekend's match between Australia and New Zealand was a good pointer, he said.

The style that he promotes is aimed at having ball carriers available at all times to finish moves.

"If you look at the way the All Blacks committed too many players to the breakdown points last weekend, I think were are on the right road," he explained." 

www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Rugby/0,,2-9-838_2368036,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately most people who are now trying to absolve De Villiers of any blame for the Boks ending last in this Tri-Nations are conveniently avoiding very basic facts. We were competitive in Wellington, won in Dunedin and gradually regressed to getting nilled at Cape Town and losing twice at home. The problem is very clear and when you watch those matches you will see that it is De Villiers naivety about &#8220;off-loading&#8221; instead of committing enough players to the break downs that sabotaged our chances in Cape Town and Durban. Here is what De Villers had to say about the first AB versus Aus match: </p>
<p>&#8220;Last weekend&#8217;s match between Australia and New Zealand was a good pointer, he said.</p>
<p>The style that he promotes is aimed at having ball carriers available at all times to finish moves.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you look at the way the All Blacks committed too many players to the breakdown points last weekend, I think were are on the right road,&#8221; he explained.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>By: Siyabonga Ntshingila</title>
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		<author>Siyabonga Ntshingila</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow that came out mangled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow that came out mangled.
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		<title>By: Siyabonga Ntshingila</title>
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		<author>Siyabonga Ntshingila</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Shaun. Someone managed to cystallise my thoughts into coherent words. Well played1

Thats my thing as well. If the media had had their way around 2005-2007 Jake White would have been out on his ear before the World Cup. 

Remember  49-0 against Oz? The Pretoria media had already annointed Heyneke Meyer in his place.

Your example of the Bulls struggling this year is brilliant. they only lost Gary Botha and Matfield yet you'd swear someone had taken Bafan and asked them to chuck around a weird shape ball.

If Heyneke had gotten the job and gotten bad results the knives would be out for laager mentality and everyone would be pointing out what a difference Eddie Jones's vision made at the WC.

But hey, people will not see past their own prejudices. Look at me, I'm a defiant Pirates supporter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Shaun. Someone managed to cystallise my thoughts into coherent words. Well played1</p>
<p>Thats my thing as well. If the media had had their way around 2005-2007 Jake White would have been out on his ear before the World Cup. </p>
<p>Remember  49-0 against Oz? The Pretoria media had already annointed Heyneke Meyer in his place.</p>
<p>Your example of the Bulls struggling this year is brilliant. they only lost Gary Botha and Matfield yet you&#8217;d swear someone had taken Bafan and asked them to chuck around a weird shape ball.</p>
<p>If Heyneke had gotten the job and gotten bad results the knives would be out for laager mentality and everyone would be pointing out what a difference Eddie Jones&#8217;s vision made at the WC.</p>
<p>But hey, people will not see past their own prejudices. Look at me, I&#8217;m a defiant Pirates supporter.
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