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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://www.sportsleader.co.za/kerrynkrige/2009/08/25/casterround-2/#comment-6794</link>
		<author>ian</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>feppie, you've posted that drivel all over the place. arguments against ASA (very few have actually been against Caster herself) are generally quite logical and coherent. the only non-sensical argument comes from you as its emotional and just blithely throwing racism accusations around.
take Peter L's argument as an example - be so kind as to point out which parts are 'non sensical' and racist. try back it up with valid points as opposed to vague generalisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>feppie, you&#8217;ve posted that drivel all over the place. arguments against ASA (very few have actually been against Caster herself) are generally quite logical and coherent. the only non-sensical argument comes from you as its emotional and just blithely throwing racism accusations around.<br />
take Peter L&#8217;s argument as an example - be so kind as to point out which parts are &#8216;non sensical&#8217; and racist. try back it up with valid points as opposed to vague generalisms.
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		<title>By: feppie</title>
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		<author>feppie</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IAAF humiliated Caster and her supporters
and put a smile on the faces of the racists

I fully support the move(UN complaint) against the despicable and disgraceful IAAF actions meted out to Caster and the ASA. 

The action by the IAAF(to publicly dehumanise Caster hours before the final) could only have been to destabalise her. Luckily the bastards did not succeed! That full story behind this attempted public lynching, will hopefully be exposed by their internal probe OR we will have to push for the truth. 

I am no fan of JZ, but he captured the gripe that all patriots of SA have with this sordid affair  -  

"It is one thing to seek to ascertain whether or not an athlete has an unfair advantage over others, but it is another to publicly humiliate an honest, professional and competent athlete,"

Any reasonable person, will agree with the statement. The IAAF must take 100% blame for their disgraceful treatment of Semenya and the ASA and the resulting fiasco that is now unfolding.

Malema and Winnie are of course trying to milk the episode for political benefit, but they won’t win any new supporters. I am disappointed with Chuene – he lost his cool at the airport and made a fool of himself! But I agree with him and JZ – the IAAF are the real perpetrators and our anger should be directed to them! 

@ most people who enjoy putting Caster and the ASA down with nonsensical arguments – it is clear that you can’t adjust to the New SA. Your anger towards anything “black” or “government” shines glaringly through, so you can forget about influencing normal people. Life must really be unbearable for you in SA, shame …. on you!

@ non-racialists – we will have to share these pages with the racists from all hues until a progressive moderation policy is implemented. Read but do not worry about the minority spitting into the wind on these pages! They can have no further impact on history in this country.  This is the type of garbage that the racists share around their vleisbraai’s. It is unfortunate that they are given the opportunity to spill their poison on these pages. On the hand, it is good to know how they think!

This episode can also act as a learning curve to us all in terms of the debate around sexuality and gender and how/whether it is applied by sports bodies. It is clear that policies on gender should be debated much wider than just sport federations.

from Cape Town</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IAAF humiliated Caster and her supporters<br />
and put a smile on the faces of the racists</p>
<p>I fully support the move(UN complaint) against the despicable and disgraceful IAAF actions meted out to Caster and the ASA. </p>
<p>The action by the IAAF(to publicly dehumanise Caster hours before the final) could only have been to destabalise her. Luckily the bastards did not succeed! That full story behind this attempted public lynching, will hopefully be exposed by their internal probe OR we will have to push for the truth. </p>
<p>I am no fan of JZ, but he captured the gripe that all patriots of SA have with this sordid affair  -  </p>
<p>&#8220;It is one thing to seek to ascertain whether or not an athlete has an unfair advantage over others, but it is another to publicly humiliate an honest, professional and competent athlete,&#8221;</p>
<p>Any reasonable person, will agree with the statement. The IAAF must take 100% blame for their disgraceful treatment of Semenya and the ASA and the resulting fiasco that is now unfolding.</p>
<p>Malema and Winnie are of course trying to milk the episode for political benefit, but they won’t win any new supporters. I am disappointed with Chuene – he lost his cool at the airport and made a fool of himself! But I agree with him and JZ – the IAAF are the real perpetrators and our anger should be directed to them! </p>
<p>@ most people who enjoy putting Caster and the ASA down with nonsensical arguments – it is clear that you can’t adjust to the New SA. Your anger towards anything “black” or “government” shines glaringly through, so you can forget about influencing normal people. Life must really be unbearable for you in SA, shame …. on you!</p>
<p>@ non-racialists – we will have to share these pages with the racists from all hues until a progressive moderation policy is implemented. Read but do not worry about the minority spitting into the wind on these pages! They can have no further impact on history in this country.  This is the type of garbage that the racists share around their vleisbraai’s. It is unfortunate that they are given the opportunity to spill their poison on these pages. On the hand, it is good to know how they think!</p>
<p>This episode can also act as a learning curve to us all in terms of the debate around sexuality and gender and how/whether it is applied by sports bodies. It is clear that policies on gender should be debated much wider than just sport federations.</p>
<p>from Cape Town
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		<title>By: Jost van Dike</title>
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		<author>Jost van Dike</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Kerryn. Common sense will prevail eventually (hopefully). Still can't believe my eyes, when reading comments by people, who wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a javelin and a discus, are all of a sudden so called experts on the subject of athletics. Gives you a very good idea of the calibre of our politicians. (Don't even want to mention that imbecile Chuene). If that's an indication of things to come: Be scared, be very scared.

P.S. We are already the laughing stock in the international media.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Kerryn. Common sense will prevail eventually (hopefully). Still can&#8217;t believe my eyes, when reading comments by people, who wouldn&#8217;t be able to tell the difference between a javelin and a discus, are all of a sudden so called experts on the subject of athletics. Gives you a very good idea of the calibre of our politicians. (Don&#8217;t even want to mention that imbecile Chuene). If that&#8217;s an indication of things to come: Be scared, be very scared.</p>
<p>P.S. We are already the laughing stock in the international media.<br />
P.S.
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		<title>By: Chuma</title>
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		<author>Chuma</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuene has insulted in the way only Mugabe can, the President of the IAAF and the other black members (representing some of the most powerful federations in the sport)in the IAAF whom in not so many words he has called uncle Toms. Maybe he has beef with the Senegalese. Maybe he feels, he coming from the great doyen of transformation and the economic powerhouse he should have led the continental federation.

Does the IAAF have rules about disrepute? Look, the matter seems to be out of the control of ASA who have passed it to the politicians and government who are even threatening to take the IAAF to the United Nations. (Imagine South Africa is actually after so much pressure over the years taking some entity to the Human Rights Commission).No wonder Chuene cannot even sit in the council with the acrimony he has generated, his conflict of interest.On top of it he does not even tell his countrymen of the existence and the standing rules on gender testing. 

Imagine if good old Sepp and the other guys at the FIFA Headquarters were confronted with such drivel.

All I kno</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuene has insulted in the way only Mugabe can, the President of the IAAF and the other black members (representing some of the most powerful federations in the sport)in the IAAF whom in not so many words he has called uncle Toms. Maybe he has beef with the Senegalese. Maybe he feels, he coming from the great doyen of transformation and the economic powerhouse he should have led the continental federation.</p>
<p>Does the IAAF have rules about disrepute? Look, the matter seems to be out of the control of ASA who have passed it to the politicians and government who are even threatening to take the IAAF to the United Nations. (Imagine South Africa is actually after so much pressure over the years taking some entity to the Human Rights Commission).No wonder Chuene cannot even sit in the council with the acrimony he has generated, his conflict of interest.On top of it he does not even tell his countrymen of the existence and the standing rules on gender testing. </p>
<p>Imagine if good old Sepp and the other guys at the FIFA Headquarters were confronted with such drivel.</p>
<p>All I kno
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<author>me</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its all very odd, this whole black cannot be champions because whitel peole rubbish coming out of the ANC, have they not been watching athletics, I don't think there has been a white champion for 30 years, we get it we aint very good at running.....they aint very good at swimming,big deal viva le difference....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all very odd, this whole black cannot be champions because whitel peole rubbish coming out of the ANC, have they not been watching athletics, I don&#8217;t think there has been a white champion for 30 years, we get it we aint very good at running&#8230;..they aint very good at swimming,big deal viva le difference&#8230;.
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<author>me</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its all very odd, this whole black cannot be champions because whitel peole rubbish coming out of the ANC, have they not been watching athletics, I don't think there has been a white champion for 30 years, we get it we aint very good at running.....they aint very good at swimming big deal viva le difference....</description>
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		<title>By: Peter L</title>
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		<author>Peter L</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very insightful and succinct analysis of the situation, Kerryn - a breath of fresh and truthful air blowing through the billowing clouds and smokescreens, of ignorance, political posturing and plain BS!

ASA have been aware of the questions surrounding Caster's gender for some time.
They are either guilty of gross incompetence, or they deliberately chose to ignore the requests from the IAAF some months ago, and cynically allowed caster to enter the competition in Berlin without verifying that she qualified to enter the races.

The manner in which the ANC have chosen to hijack this situation and score political points at home (and invite ridicule abroad) is shameful.

From the printed placards (with ANC logos in the corner) handed out to rent-a-crowd iat the airport, to the carefully orchestrated press conference manned by President Zuma, Winnie and Julius Malema, with the attendant rhetoric - this was clearly part of a well planned political strategy.

Could poor Caster have looked any more bemused and bored during the political speeches?

Oh, and would someone please give Leonard Chuene a map of the world and point out Denmark to him - he had to be prompted three times by his aids when trying to attack a reporter and establish where he was from

Oh and pres Zuma – thanks for repeating the allegation that the “leaks” and questions regarding Caster’s gender emanated from local (white) SA Media people, not Australia, even though you qualified it with “if it is true…..”/.
Was this not the sort of “irresponsible” unproven allegation that you railed against during your various legal battles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very insightful and succinct analysis of the situation, Kerryn - a breath of fresh and truthful air blowing through the billowing clouds and smokescreens, of ignorance, political posturing and plain BS!</p>
<p>ASA have been aware of the questions surrounding Caster&#8217;s gender for some time.<br />
They are either guilty of gross incompetence, or they deliberately chose to ignore the requests from the IAAF some months ago, and cynically allowed caster to enter the competition in Berlin without verifying that she qualified to enter the races.</p>
<p>The manner in which the ANC have chosen to hijack this situation and score political points at home (and invite ridicule abroad) is shameful.</p>
<p>From the printed placards (with ANC logos in the corner) handed out to rent-a-crowd iat the airport, to the carefully orchestrated press conference manned by President Zuma, Winnie and Julius Malema, with the attendant rhetoric - this was clearly part of a well planned political strategy.</p>
<p>Could poor Caster have looked any more bemused and bored during the political speeches?</p>
<p>Oh, and would someone please give Leonard Chuene a map of the world and point out Denmark to him - he had to be prompted three times by his aids when trying to attack a reporter and establish where he was from</p>
<p>Oh and pres Zuma – thanks for repeating the allegation that the “leaks” and questions regarding Caster’s gender emanated from local (white) SA Media people, not Australia, even though you qualified it with “if it is true…..”/.<br />
Was this not the sort of “irresponsible” unproven allegation that you railed against during your various legal battles?
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<author>Barry</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading some of these comments you have to wonder about the thought processes of some south africans.

We have someone whose Gender has long been in doubt.

Someone who the IAAF told ASA not to select for the world championships.

Someone whose performance increases have never been seen before in athletic history.

Someone who runs , looks and talks like a man ...and shaves to boot.

Someone who records THREE times the normal levels of Testosterone.

Someone who is coached by an addmitted drug cheat who has a history of pumping athletes full of hormones and steroids.

Yet south africans are defending this situation.

Do you not realise that this makes us look idiotic ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading some of these comments you have to wonder about the thought processes of some south africans.</p>
<p>We have someone whose Gender has long been in doubt.</p>
<p>Someone who the IAAF told ASA not to select for the world championships.</p>
<p>Someone whose performance increases have never been seen before in athletic history.</p>
<p>Someone who runs , looks and talks like a man &#8230;and shaves to boot.</p>
<p>Someone who records THREE times the normal levels of Testosterone.</p>
<p>Someone who is coached by an addmitted drug cheat who has a history of pumping athletes full of hormones and steroids.</p>
<p>Yet south africans are defending this situation.</p>
<p>Do you not realise that this makes us look idiotic ?
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		<title>By: mgeve</title>
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		<author>mgeve</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember Jesse Owens, in the 40s or so Olympics? I wonder what happen to Maria Mutola form Maputo? Is it not strange that anything that happens in our country, racism seems to play a large role? Some of the people in these positions should not even be there in those posts. Thanks for the Gold Semenya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember Jesse Owens, in the 40s or so Olympics? I wonder what happen to Maria Mutola form Maputo? Is it not strange that anything that happens in our country, racism seems to play a large role? Some of the people in these positions should not even be there in those posts. Thanks for the Gold Semenya.
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		<title>By: karney</title>
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		<author>karney</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ten out of ten Kerryn.You sum it up perfectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ten out of ten Kerryn.You sum it up perfectly.
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