Comments on: BCCI’s doping stance: What’s there to gain? http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/ Thu, 17 May 2012 11:48:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Arlie Branum http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-21382 Arlie Branum Sat, 02 Jul 2011 13:46:19 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-21382 I as well as my pals ended up viewing the good procedures found on the blog and at once I had a horrible feeling I never expressed respect to the website owner for those secrets. All of the men are actually so happy to read them and now have in actuality been having fun with them. Many thanks for truly being well helpful and then for considering this sort of cool subject matter millions of individuals are really needing to be aware of. My personal honest apologies for not expressing appreciation to you sooner. I as well as my pals ended up viewing the good procedures found on the blog and at once I had a horrible feeling I never expressed respect to the website owner for those secrets. All of the men are actually so happy to read them and now have in actuality been having fun with them. Many thanks for truly being well helpful and then for considering this sort of cool subject matter millions of individuals are really needing to be aware of. My personal honest apologies for not expressing appreciation to you sooner.

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]]> By: Adam Wakefield http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6690 Adam Wakefield Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:14:17 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6690 Whoops...some repetition there. Point proven. Going to get a copy and read the damn thing. My earlier assertion still stands though... Whoops…some repetition there.

Point proven. Going to get a copy and read the damn thing.

My earlier assertion still stands though…

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]]> By: Adam Wakefield http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6689 Adam Wakefield Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:10:46 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6689 Alvin, I think we are going to have to disagree on this one otherwise it will end up decending into our earlier clash. But, for the present status quo, I think India should still sign up in the mean time. You think it doesn't imply they are dope cheats, I think it does. I'm not saying they are, and probably aren't (let us hope) but from an image point of view, I reckon it is a bad call. The code on the other hand might be the issue (as you have pointed out....supposedly most major player associations are aggrieved by the big brother nature of the cose. I will look into the actual code and produce something...if you want to continue grilling my chops, so be it. I'll come right back at ya! Keep the comments coming (regardless of content) I've found out Alvin, I think we are going to have to disagree on this one otherwise it will end up decending into our earlier clash.

But, for the present status quo, I think India should still sign up in the mean time. You think it doesn’t imply they are dope cheats, I think it does. I’m not saying they are, and probably aren’t (let us hope) but from an image point of view, I reckon it is a bad call. The code on the other hand might be the issue (as you have pointed out….supposedly most major player associations are aggrieved by the big brother nature of the cose.

I will look into the actual code and produce something…if you want to continue grilling my chops, so be it. I’ll come right back at ya!

Keep the comments coming (regardless of content)

I’ve found out

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]]> By: Alvin Pritham http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6683 Alvin Pritham Sun, 09 Aug 2009 10:09:41 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6683 Adam, It's funny your hot-air ballon sized ego get pricked just because of one comment, but you can comment anyway which way on the BCCI. Clownish. Off course its about the same question. If you heard/read the BCCI's reply, you would have noticed they basically called the rule stupid. And why can't WADA's whereabouts rule be applied to other sections of society I pray? WADA are merely policemen (and terribly inefficient ones at that) for sport. And just because other sports associations have shown a herd mentality and signed up to a bascially rubbish rule, it does not mean everyone else should. By not signing it, the BCCI does not imply they are dope cheats. If you get that impression, you should get your head checked along with your eyes. And by the way, the Australian Cricketers Association and several other idividual cricketers have also agreed the BCCI took the correct stand. So really what's that about peers you were saying?? In reality, the other associations have signed up not because they believe the rule is right, but because they receive government aid. And that aid is liked to an acceptance (however blind that may be) of WADA's rules. 11 cricketers have taken a very courageous (and right) stand. Lets applaud instead of whinning like a dog without his dinner. Get a life. Adam,
It’s funny your hot-air ballon sized ego get pricked just because of one comment, but you can comment anyway which way on the BCCI. Clownish.
Off course its about the same question. If you heard/read the BCCI’s reply, you would have noticed they basically called the rule stupid.
And why can’t WADA’s whereabouts rule be applied to other sections of society I pray?
WADA are merely policemen (and terribly inefficient ones at that) for sport.
And just because other sports associations have shown a herd mentality and signed up to a bascially rubbish rule, it does not mean everyone else should. By not signing it, the BCCI does not imply they are dope cheats. If you get that impression, you should get your head checked along with your eyes.
And by the way, the Australian Cricketers Association and several other idividual cricketers have also agreed the BCCI took the correct stand. So really what’s that about peers you were saying??
In reality, the other associations have signed up not because they believe the rule is right, but because they receive government aid. And that aid is liked to an acceptance (however blind that may be) of WADA’s rules.
11 cricketers have taken a very courageous (and right) stand. Lets applaud instead of whinning like a dog without his dinner.
Get a life.

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]]> By: Pearl http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6676 Pearl Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:11:49 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6676 Adam, BCCI and Indian players are not against WADA dope testing. Your article seems to look like BCCI and Indian players are against dope testing. Indian playeres would still be tested during competition like any other crickters. BCCI refused to accept whereabouts clause for Privacy and other concerns. whereabouts clause is pilot program which would be reviewed next year. Are you aware that Fifa has raised the same concern ? Please see the link about the concern raised by FIFA and FIFPro http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/developing/releases/newsid=1040455.html http://www.fifpro.org/index.php?mod=one&id=17064 Indian players are not the first one to raise their voice against this clause but they are the only one who could stand against this rule. You mention about Federer but what about Nadal have read his comment about whereabouts rule ? Adam,

BCCI and Indian players are not against WADA dope testing. Your article seems to look like BCCI and Indian players are against dope testing. Indian playeres would still be tested during competition like any other crickters.

BCCI refused to accept whereabouts clause for Privacy and other concerns. whereabouts clause is pilot program which would be reviewed next year.

Are you aware that Fifa has raised the same concern ? Please see the link about the concern raised by FIFA and FIFPro

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/developing/releases/newsid=1040455.html

http://www.fifpro.org/index.php?mod=one&id=17064

Indian players are not the first one to raise their voice against this clause but they are the only one who could stand against this rule.

You mention about Federer but what about Nadal have read his comment about whereabouts rule ?

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]]> By: Rahul http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6675 Rahul Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:02:25 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6675 I am no fan of the BCCI and have been extremely critical of some of its arm-twisting policies in the past. However, on this occasion, I believe they are right. Just because everyone else follows a draconian rule doesn't mean everyone should. The whereabouts rule is purely illogical seeing as most people can't say where they would be two days later, let alone 3 months later. I believe most people have joined the anti-BCCI bandwagon without considering the merits of its argument. Privacy is definitely a factor - as also security. In case you are not aware, some of the cricketers in the pool face grave security threats, not unlike those faced by heads of state. These security threats can in no way be compared to those faced by say, a Michael Phelps or Roger Federer, whose travel to developing or under-developed countries is minimal. Also, its not the BCCI alone that has had issues with the whereabouts clause. Check through the news archives, and you might see several tennis stars, athletes as well as sports associations including FIFA, expressing their disapproval regarding the clause. Also, its funny that people quote Majumdar - he's among the worst analysts ever witnessed on Indian television (though Sanjay Manjrekar would probably give him a run for his money). The rationale behind tests during 'off-season' is also questionable. Surely, if you wish to catch someone using performance-enhancing drugs, then you should test him before or after the competition, not two months before a match. I am no fan of the BCCI and have been extremely critical of some of its arm-twisting policies in the past. However, on this occasion, I believe they are right. Just because everyone else follows a draconian rule doesn’t mean everyone should. The whereabouts rule is purely illogical seeing as most people can’t say where they would be two days later, let alone 3 months later. I believe most people have joined the anti-BCCI bandwagon without considering the merits of its argument. Privacy is definitely a factor - as also security. In case you are not aware, some of the cricketers in the pool face grave security threats, not unlike those faced by heads of state. These security threats can in no way be compared to those faced by say, a Michael Phelps or Roger Federer, whose travel to developing or under-developed countries is minimal.
Also, its not the BCCI alone that has had issues with the whereabouts clause. Check through the news archives, and you might see several tennis stars, athletes as well as sports associations including FIFA, expressing their disapproval regarding the clause.
Also, its funny that people quote Majumdar - he’s among the worst analysts ever witnessed on Indian television (though Sanjay Manjrekar would probably give him a run for his money).
The rationale behind tests during ‘off-season’ is also questionable. Surely, if you wish to catch someone using performance-enhancing drugs, then you should test him before or after the competition, not two months before a match.

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]]> By: Adam Wakefield http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6670 Adam Wakefield Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:12:45 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6670 Alvin, I'm going to have to disagree with you. To answer your questions: yes, of everyone else was doing it (does that mean it is a good idea? Impossible to say). While the code 'violates' privay issues (in the some peoples words), it has been globally accpeted. The article isn't about whether the code is legitimate. That is a different questions altogether. The question being posed here is whether or not India should join it in relation to where they would stand to their peers. My argument has been made above. Your reply is straw manning me at best, since you are comparing two different things to the same case. Wada can't be applied to other realms of society because the nature of those realms is very different from professional sport. Most office jobs wouldn't get better by the use of steriods or frankly any drugs for that matter. While the system isn't perfect, which I can say now, there isn't an alternative. Do you have one? I'll go get my eyes checked, but if you seriously think we should ignore the problems of drugs in sport, especially cricket, just because 11 cricketers get ancy, then I see that as being naive. Alvin, I’m going to have to disagree with you. To answer your questions: yes, of everyone else was doing it (does that mean it is a good idea? Impossible to say). While the code ‘violates’ privay issues (in the some peoples words), it has been globally accpeted.

The article isn’t about whether the code is legitimate. That is a different questions altogether. The question being posed here is whether or not India should join it in relation to where they would stand to their peers. My argument has been made above.

Your reply is straw manning me at best, since you are comparing two different things to the same case. Wada can’t be applied to other realms of society because the nature of those realms is very different from professional sport. Most office jobs wouldn’t get better by the use of steriods or frankly any drugs for that matter.

While the system isn’t perfect, which I can say now, there isn’t an alternative. Do you have one?

I’ll go get my eyes checked, but if you seriously think we should ignore the problems of drugs in sport, especially cricket, just because 11 cricketers get ancy, then I see that as being naive.

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]]> By: Alvin Pritham http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6668 Alvin Pritham Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:15:44 +0000 http://www.sportsleader.co.za/adamwakefield/2009/08/07/wada-and-the-bcci-what-is-there-to-gain/#comment-6668 It's laughable that journos and writers actually want players/athletes to sign a code which everyone reckons is draconian. Sport is merely a reflection of socitey so lets just apply the principles of WADA to other professions. I wonder if you Adam Wakefield are willing to disclose your whereabouts when on holiday so that your company can check on you just so you aren't freelancing on the sly? WADA is the only body which hopes to catch the guilty by punishing the innocent. Imagine if the police jail everyone in a city just because a murder has been committed. How ridiculous is that? WADA are just as ridiculous. WADA in effect is a useless body who have done nothing to stop the use of drugs. They are woefully out of step and their actions even suggest turning a blind eye to countries which keeps them flush with funds, while going after the lesser ones. Carl Lews and Ben Johnson spring to mind. The BCCI are by no means a saintly body, but to suggest that cricketers must be checked just because they are handsomely paid smacks of jealousy. Neither you nor Mr Majumdar sound like icons of humanity. Actually you chaps are a pathetic bunch of guys who cant see the wood for the trees. Go see a eye specialist. Cheers It’s laughable that journos and writers actually want players/athletes to sign a code which everyone reckons is draconian.
Sport is merely a reflection of socitey so lets just apply the principles of WADA to other professions.
I wonder if you Adam Wakefield are willing to disclose your whereabouts when on holiday so that your company can check on you just so you aren’t freelancing on the sly?
WADA is the only body which hopes to catch the guilty by punishing the innocent.
Imagine if the police jail everyone in a city just because a murder has been committed. How ridiculous is that?
WADA are just as ridiculous.
WADA in effect is a useless body who have done nothing to stop the use of drugs. They are woefully out of step and their actions even suggest turning a blind eye to countries which keeps them flush with funds, while going after the lesser ones. Carl Lews and Ben Johnson spring to mind.
The BCCI are by no means a saintly body, but to suggest that cricketers must be checked just because they are handsomely paid smacks of jealousy. Neither you nor Mr Majumdar sound like icons of humanity. Actually you chaps are a pathetic bunch of guys who cant see the wood for the trees.
Go see a eye specialist.
Cheers

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